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Investigations In Death Of Gun-Toting Teen

Shot 11 Times After Allegedly Pointing Gun At Cops
By Howard Schwach

Cops shot Dashawn Vasconcellos when he allegedly pointed a gun at them. Cops shot Dashawn Vasconcellos when he allegedly pointed a gun at them. Both the police department's internal affairs bureau and detectives from the Queens District Attorney's staff are looking into the fatal shooting of an 18- year-old Edgemere man who was killed, police say, after he allegedly pointed a 9 mm automatic handgun at them.

Police say that a four-man anti-crime unit was patrolling nearby Bayswater Park, at Beach Channel Drive and Bay 32 Street at 11:30 p.m. on November 21, when they spotted three young men coming out of the park.

Local police sources told The Wave that the park is known for late-night drug deals, and it is watched closely by precinct cops.

While the cops were getting out of their unmarked patrol car, sources said, one of the three began to run.

He was later identified by police as Dashawn Vasconcellos, 18, of 443 Beach 40 Street.

While one of the four officers detained the other two men, one gave chase and the other two drove their vehicle in the direction of the foot chase as backup.

At Bay 32 Street, between Far Rockaway Boulevard and Beach Channel Drive, Vasconcellos turned, holding a loaded handgun and pointed it in the direction of the three officers.

Police issued this photo of the gun recovered in connection with the shooting. Police issued this photo of the gun recovered in connection with the shooting. Police say that, despite repeated orders for him to drop the weapon, he refused.

The three police officers fired a total of 15 times, striking Vas concellos with 11 of those shots. A spokesperson for the Chief Medical Examiner said that he was struck three times in the back, once in the chest, once in the right arm and six times in his legs on both sides of his body.

Another bullet turned up in the side of a nearby house and still another in an SUV that was parked on the street.

EMS responded and transported Vascon - cellos to the trauma center at Jamaica Hospi tal, where he was declared dead about an hour after he arrived.

Police say that a "defaced" loaded Bryco semi-automatic 9 mm handgun was recovered at the scene. Police sources say that a "defaced" weapon is one in which the serial number has been removed to hinder the identification of the weapon and its provenance.

The police shooting took place at Bay 32 Street near the shopping center. The police shooting took place at Bay 32 Street near the shopping center. On Sunday, a group of Vasconcellos' friends and supporters gathered outside of the Beach 40 Street city housing project building where he lived with his mother.

One woman, who claimed to be a close family friend, said that his mother, Edna, was "too distraught to talk because her son had been murdered."

Several others refused to speak for the record.

Theresa Boyke Richards, who identified herself as the dead man's aunt, said that he was told to stop, but he was afraid and started running.

"He started running and they shot him," she said.

Another woman, who declined to be identified, said that Vasconcellos carried the gun in his book bag for "protection."

She said that Vasconcellos was enrolled in a special program at Jamaica High School and that he lived most of the time in Rosedale with his girlfriend and her mother.

"He wanted to be an R & B singer," she said. "He was trying to keep away from Rockaway - away from the project, but he came back for a party and look where he got killed."

Despite the fact that police sources say the shooting was within department guidelines, some locals termed it "an assassination."

"This was another Sean Bell," said one unidentified caller to The Wave, referring to the police shooting of another Rockaway man three years ago. In that case, police officers were put on trial and found not guilty. "We have to stop cops from assassinating our black young men. The cops should be arrested and tried."

Richards said, "He didn't deserve to be killed like that. They said he pulled a gun, but I don't believe it. He was not that kind of kid."

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said on Monday, "It is too early to call the number of shots fired excessive. The case is being reviewed both by this department and the Queens District Attorney's office. We have to see what the investigations uncover."

And, despite the fact that the New York Post reported on Tuesday that Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said "on the surface, the shoot looks clean," Kevin Ryan, the chief spokesperson for Brown, told The Wave that was not the case.

"We are looking into where that [quote] came from," Ryan said. "Any police shooting is investigated and we will have no comment until the investigation is completed."

A neighbor of the dead youth seemed to sum up the community's feelings.

"He didn't seem troubled at all," he said. "He's not the kind of person who would point a gun at anyone. Why would he do something so crazy, almost suicidal."

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The police did a public

The police did a public service. They just got to the young innocent,gun toting, defaced gun expert before he emptied someones wallet and his gun in them. What a shame......LOL

Thats what the police said

Thats what the police said happen.They say that this young man pointed a gun at them.They couldn't had said that he shot at them, he would have had some gun poweder on his hand. So when the question is ask Why did you shot and kill him? The best answer to give is HE POINTED A GUN AT ME.LET JUST SAY If he only had a gun and didn't point it at the cops Then why was his life taking away from him.I know the WORD thug doesn't have anything to do with race.BUT the point I'am Trying to make is this. Every time you read a comment that someone post about a young black man they are call a thug or animal In this same newspaper a white school teacher was arrested for have sex with a student and nobody call him a thug or a animal. The word thug or(THUGGEE)is a good word to dicribe a lot of these so call police. The police are people empowered to enforce the law, protect property and reduce civil disorder. Police are the real thuggee and members of the biggest gangs in town.HERE SOME OF REASON THAT COP's CANT BE BELIEVE AND THAT THEY ARE THE TRUE THUGS A off Duty black cop that they kill In the last minutes of his life, Omar Edwards lay handcuffed in the middle of Harlem's East 125th Street on Thursday, felled by bullets Officer Andrew Dunton fired after Edwards turned toward Dunton without lowering his gun, police said Friday. Emergency Services officers cut open Edwards' white shirt. They found a Police Academy T-shirt and a shield and identification in his pants pocket... He would had been another black man that pointed his gun at the police and call a thug. Amadou Diallo (September 2, 1975 – February 4, 1999) was a 23-year-old Guinean immigrant in New York City who was shot and killed on February 4, 1999 by four New York City Police Department plain-clothed officers THE FOUR THUGGEE SAID THEY THOUGHT HIS WALLET WAS A GUN AND KILLED HIM. THEY SHOT A UNARMED YOUNG MAN 41 TIMES In the early morning hours of Nov. 25, 2006, Sean Bell, a 23-year-old New York City man due to be married later that day, walked out of a Queens strip club, climbed into a gray Nissan Altima with two friends who had been celebrating with him - and died in a hail of 50 bullets fired by a group of five police officers.WHICH GROUP WAS THE THUGGEE IN THAT STORY. (Should i go on)ONE MORE Rodney Glen King (born April 2, 1965) is an American who was the subject in a police brutality case involving the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) ...REMEMBER BEFORE THE REAL THUGGEE KNEW THAT THEY HAD BEEN TAPE THEY HAD A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY OF WHAT HAPPEN The first jury found the four white office not guilty and they had the whole crime on tape. SO If this young man made a poor judgement call and it cost him his life. Then what should the thug cops pay with. PS I KNOW THAT COP LIE AND IT HAPPEN MORE THAN YOU WOULD EVER KNOW. DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR GOOGLE THE NAME KAREEM BELLAMY STORY THEN YOU WILL SEE WHY (I PERSONALY) DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY I HAVE NEVER READ NOR HEARD NOBODY CALL THE WHITE YOUNG MEN THUG. WHO SHOT AND KILLED 12 STUDENT AND ONE TEACHER. THAT WAS A MASSACRE

The article these posts are

The article these posts are about is the incident wherein a young criminal (thug) was shot down for ostensibly pointing a gun at police. It was not about Columbine or the abusive teacher. Yet, do you really want to go down that road? Statistically, you'll discover crime is wildly disproportionate in the black community. For every "white teacher", I could easily cite 25 similar incidents with teachers of color. In fact, black on white crime is so pervasive, it isn't even typically registered for the hate crimes they often are. It is an argument you'd lose.

I'm not really sure how good your comprehension is (how well you understand what you read) as demonstrated by your posts. I did say that occasionally there are bad cops, who don't follow the rules. No argument with that, but those police and incidents are in the vast minority. Minority means: not so often. Do you have the foggiest idea as to just how many crimes are handled by the NYPD? Tens of thousands. When a gun comes into it, police must protect themselves. For every incident you mention, I could easily cite the others where brave police where gunned down by thugs. You may be surprised to learn, some of those crooks were black. Some of the officers too. In fact, in the Sean Bell case, some of those officers were black and Hispanic. Do you want police to get shot? Is that it? If you were to wear an officer's shoes, you may have a different opinion. This begs the question: Who shoes are you wearing? Those of drug dealers? Crooks with guns? Why take the side of those on the wrong side of the law?

The difference seems to be that you don't trust police and I do. I view them as public servants who do their best to uphold the law under increasing difficult circumstances. I also view young men of any race, with guns, as thugs. When you're caught with a gun, then point it at officers, and are told to put it down and don't, then you can expect to be shot. I give the police the benefit of the doubt, not the criminal. Don't want trouble with the police--don't break the law.

I did answer your question--race did not play a factor in my assessment--an illegal gun and it's thug owner are no longer on the street--ergo Rockaway is safer.

BTW: It seems you're hell bent to frame this in racial terms. The Columbine killers were called far worse than "thugs", their description started at animal and worked its way down, my personal favorite is, "sub-human animals". Tell you what though, next time a white kid is shot while pointing a gun at the police, I'd go out of my way to call him a thug too. Happy? BTW, I'll google Kareem Bellamy, if you look up "Witchita Horror".

You say, Rodney King--I say Reginald Denny
You say, abusive white teacher, I say Sheri Lynn Davis or Quintin Cedeno
You say, Amadou Diallo, I say Officer John Pawlowski
You say, Sean Bell, I say Daniel Wasilchen

Sound like we're getting anywhere yet?

As you can see if you look a the world through a narrow racial prism you miss quite a lot. For every outrage you could name or ever find, I could easily find a dozen incidents to match it. Yet this is not the point, the actual point is, a crime is a crime, regardless of the race of those who commit it. Police do a difficult job and--if you're any standard--get little support for doing so.

You may not be thankful this gun and it's thug are off the streets and may not be grateful for the tremendous job police do, but I am.

The value of black life

The value of black life doesn't mean anything to the police. It doesn't matter if the cop are black or white. Here another example of what I am trying to show you. (A sleeping 7-year-old girl was shot and killed when an officer's gun went off while Detroit police were searching a duplex for a suspect in the slaying of a teenager, a police official said. AFTER THEY KILL THE LITTLE GIRL THEY TRY TO SAY IT HAPPEN BECAUSE THE GRANDMOTHER WAS FIGHTING THE COP. THEN THEY SAID IT HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY BUMP IN TO THE GRANDMOTHER WHILE ENTERING THE REAL REASON THAT IT HAPPEN IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE NO VALUE FOR BLACK LIFE. THAT 7 YEAR OLD GIRL DIDN'T POINT NO GUN AT THE COPS NO ONE IN THE HOUSE HAD A GUN. WHEN THE COP SAID THAT HE SHOT THE 7 YEAR OLD GIRL BECAUSE HE WAS FIGHTING WITH THE GRANDMOTHER WAS A LIE AND A COVER UP. JUST LIKE THEY SAID THAT THEY SHOT THE YOUNG MAN FOR POINTING A GUN AT THEM. SHOW ME ONE WHITE 7 YEAR OLD GIRL THAT WAS KILLED BY THE POLICE WHILE IN ((HER HOUSE SLEEP)) PS IS THIS PART OF GETTING ANOTHER THUG OF THE STREET. SHOULD WE BE THANKFUL FOR THIS JOB THAT THEY DID. DO YOU STILL THINK THAT THEY ARE DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB.I BET YOU DO

The cops do a great job--they

The cops do a great job--they didn't in that incident--but, generally they do. The "incident" you refer too has a number of important facts missing. First off, the murderer (Who shot another innocent black boy BTW) they were looking for was apprehended at that location. There is no definitive report on how the gun "went off", but some reports claim that a women physically confronted the cop and then the gun was discharged accidentally. Is it tragic? Yes. The cop's fault--maybe. The crook's fault and those who'd confront the police? Well you've made your mind up, but to me it is unclear.

The reason you don't see "white 7 year old girls" killed in this manner, is that white folk don't harbor murderers in their homes as much. Pretty simple. Yet, they do get shot. Recently, one home owner (white) was shot down by the police after calling in a burglary at his house. When you have police, guns and criminals--accidents will happen. To condemn all police is narrow minded in the extreme.

Here is another example of typical narrow mindedness. No doubt you're one of the those who hated Rudy Gulianni, in favor of David Dinkins (possibly the worst mayor NYC has ever had since Tweed). During Dinkins's administration, over 2000 people were killed annually. When Rudy took over, the numbers slide down to around 400 in just the first year. What most--like yourself--didn't get is, most of those 1,600 people who were not killed were people of color. If you want to look at it another way, Dinkins's via his incompetence as a mayor, allowed 1,600 murders--per year--that could have been prevented with proper leadership and policing. Just some food for thought. Perhaps you're one of those who didn't get killed because of Rudy. Yet, like the police, hell would freeze over before you'd give a scintilla of credit to the man.

The guy that the COPS was

The guy that the COPS was looking for was never in that apartment.SO I ASK YOU THIS! WHO IN THE 7 YEAR OLD MURDER VICTIMS HOME WAS HARBOR A MURDERER ? The person was up stairs in another apartment. SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT FORTUNATE TO OWN THERE OWN SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND FURTHER MORE THIS 7 YEAR OLD MURDER VICTIM WAS TO YOUNG TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHERE SHE GOING TO LIVE. This white home owner that was kill that you spoke about was an isolated incident. Cops killing black people is the norm. You read about that happen everyday, all over the country Rudy Gulianni didn't care about the lost of black life, being taking by a cop when he was mayor. So you are wright I don't like him. He would take the cops side no matter what happen. No matter what the facts was. It wasn't because he care for the cops. It was because he didn't care for black people. Gulianni wouldn't even give the cops that was doing " such a good JOB "a pay raise. The cop was so mad at him they went to NYC and started acting like THUGGEE.((I KNOW YOU REMEMBER THAT.)) This "good guy" Gulianni was court cheating on his wife. I BET IF YOU HAD ASKED THE COPS DO THEY LIKE GULIANNI? BESIDES THE FACT THAT HE LET THEM HAVE OPEN SEASON ON UNARMED BLACK PEOPLE THEY MIGHT HAD TOLD YOU NO THEY DIDN'T LIKE HIM EITHER. If you want to talk about murders in nyc on some body's watch. Don't forget to credit the 5000 from 911 to GULIANNI. The guy that Gulianni made his police commissioner is in jail doing time . So watch out how you throw the name Gulianni around.It might seem like Crime went down for two reason.The policing that Mayor Dinkin had already put in play, and the million man march. Crime was down all around the country at the time your revering to. You don't have to believe me just look it up.THE TWO EXAMPLE I JUST GAVE YOU THAT GULIANNIA WASN'T THE REASON WHY CRIME WENT DOWN WAS JUST A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT. YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, BUT IT TRUE. PS Gulianni kid and his wife don't even like him. Don't take my word for it Look it up. "" The crook's fault and those who'd confront the police?"" WHEN YOU SAY THE CROOK'S FAULT I'AM ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GUY THAT THEY WAS LOOKING FOR. NOW IF YOU GOING TO SAY HE KILL THE LITTLE GIRL THEN YOU HAVE TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER AN BLAME IT ON THE GUN MAKERS AND GUN DEALERS. BUT THE LAST TIME I SAID THAT YOU SAID NO. THEN IF YOU GO BACK FURTHER PAST THE GUNS. AND SAY IT IS THE GUY FAULT BECAUSE HE KILLED SOME ONE. THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK YOUR SELF (( WHERE DID THIS GUY GET THIS VIOLENCE FROM ))((WHY DID HE KILL ANOTHER BLACK MAN.)) THAT GOES BACK TO SLAVERY DAYS. WHEN MASTER WOULD MAKE THE MEN FIGHT AND KILL EACH OTHER. SO IF WE GO THAT FAR DOWN THE LADDER THE FINGER MIGHT POINT AT YOU AND YOUR FOREFATHER FOR WHY THIS 7 YEAR OLD BLACK CHILD IS DEAD. SO KEEP THE BLAME ON THE COP WHO MURDER HER. NOW FOR THE PART ABOUT ((THOSE)) WHO CONFRONT THE COPS. IF YOU ARE A GRANDMOTHER AND YOU HERE A LOUD EXPLOSION IN THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GRANDAUGHTER IS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE SLEEP. YOU ARE GOING TO GO UP FRONT TO SEE WHAT HAPPEN. IS THAT WHAT YOU CALLED CONFRONTING THE POLICE. I CALL YHAT A NORMAL ACTED. THIS GRAN MOTHER DIDN'T DO NOTHING WRONG. THE WORD ((THOSE)) MEANS MORE THAN ONE. IT WAS ONLY ONE PERSON (THE GRANMOTHER.) I KNOW YOU WISH IT WAS ((THOSE)) WHO CONFRONT THE COP ,BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE PERSON THE GRANMOTHER. WHO DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PHYSICALLY WITH THE COP. IF THE COP MADE A MISTAKE THEN WHY DID HE LIE AT FIRST AND SAY THAT HE HAD SOMETHING PHYSICALLY WITH THE GRANMOTHER AND THE GUN WENT OFF. THAT WHAT THEY DO LIE. THEY KILL BLACK PEOPLE AN LIE TO MAKE IT WRIGHT. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS ((narrow minded)) FOR YOU TO THINK THAT ALL OF THESE COP THAT ARE KILLING THESE BLACK PEOPLE ARE JUSTIFIED ,AND THAT THEY TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW AND WHY IT HAPPEN. THAT IS NARROW MINDED. MY VISION IS WIDER THAN YOURS I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW.YOUR MIND DON'T EVEN OPEN WIDE ENOUGH TO SAY SOMTHING WRONG WITH THE SHOTING OF UNARMED ""COLOR"" PEOPLE. IT YOU DON'T THINK SOME THING WRONG WITH THIS YOU MUST BE A RACIST I HOPE YOUR NOT. PS. BY KNOW YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHITE PEOPLE ARE COLOR PEOPLE NOT BLACK. WHITE PEOPLE CAN AND DO CHANGE COLORS NOT BLACK. JUST A LITTLE MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT

If you bother to look it up,

If you bother to look it up, Rev. Al was at the service for this little girl-Aiyana Jones. He said--correctly for a change--that the black community has to stop pointing fingers at the police and start pointing it at their own behavior. If Rev. Al can see through this maybe you can too. The problem just might be with the African American community. "I'd rather tell you to start looking at the man in the mirror. We've all done something that contributed to this," were his exact words. Then again, you may think he's a racist for pointing out the obvious.

As for your argument against Guliani--you've no substance. I didn't say he was a good husband, or his kids liked him or that Kerik--one of his police commissioners--were pluses to his record. What counts is that 1,600 people are alive because he--not Dinkins--was in office. Most of those 1,600 who would have otherwise been dead would have also been minorities. BTW: Most of Guliani's reforms came under Bratton, Kerik simply didn't change anything.

You say you believe I'm racist, yet is is you who brought race into the conversation. You say you hope I'm not a racist--well, I'm not--but I can say one thing for sure; I'm absolutely certain you are.


I guess the racism slander is simply boilerplate for you, when loosing an argument, call the other side "racist." Standard stuff. This gun toting thug was just that--a thug. Those who commit more crime have to deal with the police more often. If they point guns--then they get shot. Were you a police at that scene, under those conditions, you just might have seen it from the other side. I'll end the conversation here, but you ought to address your hatred for police and white people--it will consume you.

HERE MORE LYING BY COPS. I

HERE MORE LYING BY COPS. I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN THIS ONE LIE ONE New video of the controversial Bronx snowball arrest appears to show an off-duty cop quickly drawing his gun just seconds after being hit by a single snowball. The footage seems to contradict Officer Adonis Ramirez's insistence that he was pelted "on the back by multiple snowballs" before turning his weapon on a group of friends. The so-called "Snowball Four" made headlines after February's blizzard when they were charged with criminal possession of a weapon - snowballs. Ramirez's fellow cops reported that he was taunted in Spanish and chased down the street "in a threatening manner," police sources said at the time. Instead, Ramirez is seen walking out of 1422 Nelson Ave. when he is hit by (one) of the snowball, the friends admit they were tossing at each other. They denied they targeted the officer. In the (video), Ramirez, a seven-year NYPD veteran,(pulls his gun) 15 seconds after the snowball is thrown and orders the young men to the ground. The group said he never said he was an officer. "He pulled out the gun and aimed it at me when he was 3 feet away. I thought he was going to kill me," said Manuel Rondon, 18, a student at Monroe College. The Bronx district attorney dropped the case against them earlier this month, citing "insufficient evidence." Neil Wollerstein, a lawyer for the four friends, ranging in age from 17 to 22, is now suing the city for $10 million. "He's creating a dangerous situation by taking out his weapon," said Wollerstein, who got the video from the building's security firm, Sentry Communications. "It's definitely an abuse of power and authority." LIE TWO A former NYPD cop was ordered to return to prison after an appeals court reinstated his murder conviction for killing a man during a dispute over a parking space. LIE THREE In 1997, 30-year-old Abner Louima was married, had one child, and had been living in Brooklyn for the previous six years. Although he had trained as an electrical engineer in Haiti, Louima worked as a security guard in a water-and-sewage plant in Flatlands, Brooklyn.[1] On August 9, 1997, Louima visited Club Rendez-Vous, a popular nightclub in East Flatbush. Late in the night, he and several other men interceded in a fight between two women. The police were called and several officers from the 70th Precinct were dispatched to the scene. There was a confrontation between the police, patrons and bystanders involved in the scuffle outside the club. The responding patrol officers included Justin Volpe, Charles Schwarz, Thomas Bruder, and Thomas Wiese, among others. In the ensuing scuffle, Volpe was struck by a "sucker-punch" and identified Louima as his assailant. Volpe arrested Louima on charges of disorderly conduct, obstructing government administration, and resisting arrest. The arresting officers beat Louima with their fists, nightsticks, and hand-held police radios on the ride to the station.[2] On arriving at the station house, he was strip-searched and put in a holding cell. The beating continued later, culminating with Louima being sexually assaulted in a bathroom at the 70th Precinct station house in Brooklyn. Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, then, while Louima's hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then sodomized him with a broken broom stick, causing severe internal damage to his colon and bladder that required several operations to repair. Volpe then walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, indicating that he had "broke a man down." Louima's teeth were also badly damaged in the attack by having the plunger handle jammed into his mouth.[3] He testified to the presence of a second officer in the bathroom helping Volpe in the assault but he could not positively identify him. The identity of the second attacker became a point of serious contention during the trial and appeals. Louima also initially claimed that the officers involved in the attack called him a "nigger" and shouted, "This is Giuliani-time" during the beating.[4] Louima later recanted this claim, and the reversal was used by defense lawyers to cast doubt on the entirety of his testimony.[5] The day after the incident, Louima was transferred to the Brooklyn Hospital emergency room. Escorting officers explained away his serious injuries being a result of "abnormal homosexual activities". An emergency room nurse, Magalie Laurent, suspecting the nature of Louima's extreme injuries were not the result of gay sex, notified Louima's family and the Police Department's Internal Affairs Bureau of the likelihood of sexual assault and battery.[2] Louima was hospitalized for two months after the incident.[6] NEW YORK (CNN) -- Two former New York Police Department detectives were sentenced to life in prison without parole Friday for operating as Mafia hit men while employed by the NYPD. LIE FOUR Louis Eppolito, 60, and Stephen Caracappa, 67, who spent a combined 44 years on the force and once worked as partners, were found guilty in April 2006 of engaging in racketeering.

So far you've brought a

So far you've brought a handful of cases forward, some truly representative of poor policing, others questionable. For every one of those, a thousand cases wherein criminals are either caught in the crime or brought to justice by police can be given. You think it's bad with the police, you couldn't begin to imagine what your world would be without them. So far, you've established yourself as a racist, police hater and poor grammarian. To enter into any further back and forth with someone as biased and poorly prepared as yourself would be pointless. Get therapy.

THEM CASES SHOW THAT COPS ARE

THEM CASES SHOW THAT COPS ARE LIAR. THEM CASES SHOW THAT COPS CHANGE THE TRUTH TO FIT THE LIE THAT THEY ARE TELLING. WE BOTH ARE BIASED TO WHAT WE FEEL. THE WORD BIASED MEANS TO favoring one person or (side) over another; I FAVOR THE UNARMED BLACKS YOU FAVOR THE COPS. I TOLD YOU THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THE COP WAS BLACK OR WHITE IT'S THERE MIND SET. I GAVE YOU MANY DIFFERENT INSTANCES WHERE THE COP WAS WRONG, AND LIE ABOUT WHAT THEY DID. BUT IT IS LIKE YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS TO THE TRUTH. YOU CALL ME A RACIST. IN ALL OF THESE CASES IS RACE THE PINK ELEPHANT IN THE CORNER. YOU CAN CALL ME NAMES, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT MY SPELLING. BUT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT THE FACTS THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU. FIRST YOU WALK 2 MILES IN MY SHOES THEN YOU TELL ME THAT I SHOULD LOVE THE COPS. HERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. (EVERY POODLE IS A DOG) (BUT EVERY DOG IS NOT A POODLE). PS YOU COULD NEVER WIN A DEBATE ABOUT THE INJUSTICES THAT ARE DONE TO THE BLACK MAN BY COPS. WHITE COPS OR BLACK COP. KNOW YOU CAN STOP WRITING. YOU THINK IN YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS THAT YOU ARE THE BOSS. YOU CAN STOP SOMETHING WHEN YOU WANT. I SAID WHAT I NEEDED TO SAY. KNOW IT ENDS. NOT BECAUSE YOU SAID IT SHOULD END.

"THEM" cases are a matter of

"THEM" cases are a matter of public record. You also say you favor "unarmed" blacks in favor of the police. You know this means, that this ARMED thug is not in that catagory--right?

In terms of mixed metaphors you really must do something about your communication skills--they're embarrassing. The "PINK ELEPHANT IN THE CORNER"? Do you mean, the elephant in the the room? A pink elephant is normally associated with drunks. The only "elephant in the room" I can see, is your biased support of criminals.

As for the "2 MILES" in your shoes. I'll pass. Most suffice with the simpler "mile in my shoes", but why deviate from your consistently incorrect usage of cliché language. Kind of a silly thing to say, seeing you've no idea who your addressing other than they're someone who writes better than you. Yet, I can imagine some of those "TWO MILES," none of which seems to have been spent studying English too diligently. For your future reference: IF YOU DON'T BREAK THE LAW OR HANG AROUND WITH THOSE WHO DO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH POLICE. In fact those fellows will protect your life and property is need be. Pretty sweet deal for yourself, considering how cavalierly you trash them.

Finally, you suppose to understand my subconscious when you can't--apparently--understand the Queen's English or the rules that ascribe it's usage. It seems it would be a stretch even to assume you could string a sentence together, much less form a "subconscious" profile of someone on a forum thread. I stand by my preceding statements. You really do need therapy and a remedial course in language arts.

I AM GOING TO BREAK DOWN THE

I AM GOING TO BREAK DOWN THE LAST REPLY LETTER. YOU WROTE.(QUOTE) "THEM" cases are a matter of public record. You also say you favor "unarmed" blacks in favor of the police. You know this means, that this ARMED thug is not in that catagory--right? DON'T FORGET I ALL SO SAID I AM ON THE SIDE OF ALL THE BLACK MURDER VICTIM. THAT ARE MURDER BY THE COPS. THE COP CAN'T HOLE COURT IN THE STREET. THEY SAID HE WAS ARMED AND POINTED THE GUN AT THEM. BUT HE WAS SHOT IT THE BACK. IT KIND OF HARD TO POINT A GUN WITH YOUR BACK TURN. YOU WROTE (QUOTE) YOU DON'T BREAK THE LAW OR HANG AROUND WITH THOSE WHO DO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH POLICE. SEAN BELL, AMADOU DIALLO,THE 7 YEAR OLD BLACK GIRL,THEY ALL WAS UNARMED AND NONE OF THEM WAS BREAKING THE LAW OR HANGING WITH THOSE WHO DO. WHY ARE THEY DEAD? I GAVE YOU ((THE PINK ELEPHANT IN THE CORNER))METAPHOR. A METAPHOR IS A FIGURE OF SPEEH. TO HAVE A ELEPHANT HIDING IN THE CORNER IS IMPOSSIBLE,ESPECIALLY IF IT PINK. IT IS UNLIKLY THAT THE ELEPHANT CAN HIDE IN A CORNER AND NOT BE SEEN. OR NO ONE WILL ADMIT SEEING IT,OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEING THERE. THAT'S WHY I GAVE THAT METAPHOR.I GAVE THE COLOR PINK BECAUSE THE COLOR PINK IS A DISTINCT COLOR.AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE COLOR OF SOMTHING MEANS A HELL OF A LOT. IF A CAKE IS WHITE IT A (ANGLE) CAKE,IF IT'S A BROWN CAKE IT'S A (DEVIL) FOOD. BLACK FRIDAY,A LITTLE WHITE LIE, SHOULD I HAD JUST SAID AN ELEPHANT INSTEAD OF A PINK ELEPHANT. WOULD THAT HAD MADE YOU SEE THAT RACE IS THE UNDER TONE IN ALL THESE CASES. I ALL SO GAVE YOU THE METAPHOR ABOUT THE DOGS. I SEE THAT YOU DIDN'T WRITE OR SAY NOTHING ABOUT THAT METAPHOR. DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND IT? WAS IT TRUE? WHY YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT METAPHOR. INSTEAD YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PINK ELEPHANT AND DRUNKS.I ALSO KNOW THAT PINK ELEPHANTS ARE (SOMETIMES)ASSOCIATED WITH ALCOHOL. BUT NO WHERE WAS ME AND YOU TAKLING ABOUT ALCOHOL. I'M VERY SORRY FOR SAYING THE WORD PINK ELEPHANT IF IT TRIGGER SOMTHING IN YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS TO MAKE YOU THINK ABOUT ALCOHOL. I AM VERY SORRY. YOU TALKING ABOUT SPEAKING THE QUEENS ENGLISH, NOBODY IN AMERICA SPEAK REAL ENGLISH. FURTHERMORE WHAT QUEEN. SHE IS YOUR QUEEN NOT MINE. YOUR FOREFATHERS ROD US OF OUR LANGUAGE. SO HOW DEAR YOU TALK TO ABOUT LANGUAGE. LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON ON AMERICA. THE PEOPLE THAT SO CALL CAME TO AMERICA WAS THUGGEES THAT WAS KICK OUT OF ENGLANDS JAILS. ENGLAND LET THEM GO FREE. THERE BOAT'S LANDED HEAR AND THEY STOLE THE LAND FROM THE RED MAN. SO YOU SEE YOUR RACE HAVE ALL WAYS BEEN CRIMINALS,LIARS,AND CHEATER. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME GO TO ANY INDIAN RESERVATION AND ASK THEM DO THE BELIEVE THE SHIT THAT YOU'LL SAY. THEY DONT BELIEVE ,BUT THEY WONT FIGHT YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO THEM. THEY ARE JUST LIKE THE BLACK MAN. THEY DONT BELIEVE YOU ,DON'T TRUST ,BUT WON'T FIGHT YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO THEM. YOU SAY THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE WE SHOULD FORGET ABOUT IT. BUT A BLACK TEENAGE BOY MAKE A MISTAKE AN CARRY A GUN AND HE GETS MURDER BY THE COPS. HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID ABOUT ME. (I NEED THERAPY) (I CAN'T SPELL)(I DON'T KNOW THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE) IF I AM ALL THESE THING WHY AM I CONTROLING YOU. YOU SAID YOU WAS NOT GOING TO WRITE NO MORE. THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID To enter into any further back and forth with someone as biased and poorly prepared as yourself would be pointless. Get therapy. THEN 8 DAYS LATER YOU WRITE AGAIN. THIS STUPID BLACK MAN GOT YOUR MIND IN HIS HAND. I CAN MAKE YOU DO WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO. SO YOU TELL ME WHO'S REALLY THE SMARTER ONE. ME OR YOU. NOW YOU ARE SITTING AT YOUR COMPUTER THINKING SHOULD I WRITE BACK OR NOT. YOUR SAYING TO YOUR SELF IF I WRITE BACK HE IS CONTROLING ME BECAUSE I SAID TWICE THAT I WASN'T. IF I DON'T WRITE BACK THIS NEG IS GOING TO THINK HE HAS ONE UP ON ME. (HELL OF A DECISION TO HAVE TO MAKE HUN! PS IT NOT A HELL DECISION TO MAKE. IT HARD TO STOP WRITING BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY WHAT EVER YOU WANT AN HIDE BEHIND THE COMPUTER. IT REMIND YOU OF WHEN YOU SAID WHAT EVER YOU WANTED AN HIDE BEHIND YOUR HOOD.

I just want to know if this

I just want to know if this kid wasn't black would you then say (that it is good to get a thug off the street) by killing him. What you are telling me is that this 18 year old boy shouldn't be alive because he made a mistake an had a GUN. He was a kid someones child. That statement was uncall for. This young man didn't make GUNS nor Did He Vote for guns.He just made a bad chioce by carrying one. PS THATS IF HE EVEN HAD A GUN.

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Guns are bad.

Guns are bad.

Exactly how many class hours do the middle school invest in the "use of force" policies of the police department?
Even if an officer only thinks he sees a gun, is it explained the danger of "playing" with cops?
Exactly how many "night school" options free of cost are there
for high school drop outs?
Is the info in the article based on a police report or a medical report? The article should say.


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